N-Isopropylbenzylamine with racemic Meth?
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you prolly shouldnt do that without being transparent to your customers..
also im not certain anyway that this would work alot better than just optimizing actual methamphetamine crystallization process...
still contemplating whether or not to post a n-isopropylbenzylamin simple synthesis, one on hand information should be freely available on the other enabeling people to cut with agents that potentially could be harmful (although Im certain the danger of n-isopropylbenzylamin have been overblown to say the least on drug forums etc)
also im not certain anyway that this would work alot better than just optimizing actual methamphetamine crystallization process...
still contemplating whether or not to post a n-isopropylbenzylamin simple synthesis, one on hand information should be freely available on the other enabeling people to cut with agents that potentially could be harmful (although Im certain the danger of n-isopropylbenzylamin have been overblown to say the least on drug forums etc)
Aren't there rules here against cutting agents?
- By A5kL3Pi0s
its not a cutting agent necessarily, for the sake of information freedom sharing synthesis of structural isomers of methamphetamine could be interesting (thats what I thought atleast) and ofc we could warn/raise awareness on how to spot meth thats likely cut (soweit das möglich ist...) yk
They wouldn't "fuse together, but they would form a solid mass. All you have to do is let it sit there long enough to evaporate all of the water. Then there in nowhere for it to go. Let's call it "a matrix" it's crystals, and a solid(ish) mass, but close inspection reveals that it's not linear and the grain of the crystals go in all directions. Look at some huge crystals and you'll see it
This for instance, is obviously more than 1 type of crystal
Those look like the greasy shadow master super shards that bug you out to the nth dimension.
I think liquid A/B would lose the majority of cuts and just about all of it, then whatever was left followed by acetone/MEK/diethyl ether (I think?) cold, anhydrous of course. It may not be necessary, you are probably just losing product after a certain point, but so you know the various ways to rinse it. Then the alcohol rextallization - this is a subjective art form. Secrets passed down from generation to generation.
Oh and yes, we can teach you how to fit all of that n-ISO directly into and up your ass. I mean for the sake of others and everyone who wants to learn and raise awareness and be able to identify various cuts in their product. We did have a similar thread going about crack backs and what not when smoking, it can tell you alot about your scante.
I think liquid A/B would lose the majority of cuts and just about all of it, then whatever was left followed by acetone/MEK/diethyl ether (I think?) cold, anhydrous of course. It may not be necessary, you are probably just losing product after a certain point, but so you know the various ways to rinse it. Then the alcohol rextallization - this is a subjective art form. Secrets passed down from generation to generation.
Oh and yes, we can teach you how to fit all of that n-ISO directly into and up your ass. I mean for the sake of others and everyone who wants to learn and raise awareness and be able to identify various cuts in their product. We did have a similar thread going about crack backs and what not when smoking, it can tell you alot about your scante.
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Yea we didn't even talk about Crack back opening, it's like reading tea leaves. People I know say sticking it up tnier ass got them way too high and they about od"ed. I'm not into putting stuff in my ass so I'll never know personally
That is kind of how this last merchandise I picked up is going. Pretty decent, you can see the jagged broken ice fishing hole clear edges - ie the good stuff. Then the other part cools down slower and forms the yellowish square/cube pattern addition, which is not homogenous to the good stuff, it seperates but is whole. I am noticing two other patterns in it also, one is a mini spiderweb pattern, the other is the squares both with black line edges, not clear edged. I'll work on getting some new pics - we should get a new thread about this going, this is surprisingly not talked about here...
When 6qas sear hing duckduckgo.0nion for "large methamphetamine crystal" I saw pictures of some crystals, the author said were N-iso he was separating from some meth, but to me were definitely L-meth. I deleted my reddit account after getting a message I didn't like, so I can't see the post or what it said
- By A5kL3Pi0s
@SoldadoDeDrogas yes please start a collection-thread on n-iso, I'd happily helpw with it and deliver a fully wirtten out synthesis if you want, so we can then dissect it (chemically) and come up with ideas on how to seperate it from meth again (dissolve, seperate [maybe add some drying agent], recrystallize) and so on
While I personally think n-isopropybenzylamine is not nearly as "toxic" as some people love to claim in posts blowing the problem waaaay out of proportion (since n-isopropylbenzylamine isnt even mass produced anymore and cutting with it is already kinda rare) raising awareness about it or potential, psychoactive or not , effects (or even potential long term health issues that might arise) could still be deemed a worthy contribution to harm reduction on bb...
While I personally think n-isopropybenzylamine is not nearly as "toxic" as some people love to claim in posts blowing the problem waaaay out of proportion (since n-isopropylbenzylamine isnt even mass produced anymore and cutting with it is already kinda rare) raising awareness about it or potential, psychoactive or not , effects (or even potential long term health issues that might arise) could still be deemed a worthy contribution to harm reduction on bb...
I've never in my research have seen a single peer reviewed or or official document that suggests N-iso in ss ever been found in merh or that anyone was selling it as a counterfeit drug. I could consider that there is an international conspiracy to never admit that meth is cut with it or it is sold as meth (it would be a federal crime under the analogs act, and treated the same as if it were meth, but state laws vary) Furthermore, the site "Drugs.data" a harm prevention site you can send your drugs to with $100 and a title that the sender would recognize. They used to be part of the site Erowid. They say that they have bought the standard twice and it has an easily differentiated gc/ms profile, and they've never encountered it. If you have any peer reviewed or legitimate government. Data that suggests it was used as an adulterant, I'd love to see it.
- By A5kL3Pi0s
While I agree, that its way overstated and not common at all, here some links (both interesting as well as seemingly a proof of atleast one actual sample of meth being cut with n-iso, drug checking result from Swiss drug checking service)
WARNING CLEARWEB:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2021/6679515
https://www.saferparty.ch/warnungen/isopropylbenzylamin-verkauft-als-methamphetamin-220823 (SWISS-German, drug checking result)
WARNING CLEARWEB:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2021/6679515
https://www.saferparty.ch/warnungen/isopropylbenzylamin-verkauft-als-methamphetamin-220823 (SWISS-German, drug checking result)
I interestingly the first 2 links cite sources that are dead links on Google scholar. Meaning, either they were retracted on peer review or the dea/Google decided you don't need to see them
It doesn't appear as if it made a difference in appearance. I sent some cold dry acetone through my meth packed tube, less than 2ml for 3g, and a little extra to rinse it off. 3g turned into 2.3g dry after the wash. Noticable observations during the first bowl with washed tina include a noticably less yellow-ish / square pattern to the crackback and progression of smoking it - it is much more bright and clear. It still cools into the non-homogenous crust but the pattern is much less pronounced.
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I got some meth a couple of weeks ago that didn't test positive for amphetamines via marquis reagent, so I climbed in that rabbit hole and at the bottom appeared to be PABA, a crystalline substance that they sell at GNC and the like, it's closer to meth in looks and melting point than MSM. I suspect it is the new msm, harder to detect, but just as easy to buy.